Comparison
Here you can find my thoughts on other thumb layouts and hopefully, a charitable description of them.
Aptmak
aptmak (Eve)
v w f p b j l u y '
r s t h k x n a i o
; c g d q z m , . /
e
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 24.36%
Rol: 47.84% (In/Out: 30.52% | 17.31%)
One: 3.26% (In/Out: 2.38% | 0.88%)
Rtl: 51.10% (In/Out: 32.91% | 18.19%)
Red: 5.75% (Bad: 1.75%)
SFB: 1.10%
SFS: 5.56% (Red/Alt: 2.48% | 3.08%)
LH/RH: 42.79% | 57.21%
Made by Apsu
, one of the main creators of the beloved Canary
(2nd most loved layout).
Aptmak has been the go-to option for thumb layout recommendation in AKL discord server. It is the most established thumb layout and has had many users using it full time. It's design goal, as I understand it, is to make a thumb layout based on Colemak and usable for 23332 keyboards.
While its stats on SFS and SFB are not as impressive as Dusk, it's a good choice for people who dislike LSB and don't want to be bothered with relearning to press space with another thumb.
Bunya
bunya (GalileoBlues)
b l m c z j f o u ,
n r t d p y h a e i
x q v g w ; k ' / .
s
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 33.87%
Rol: 45.23% (In/Out: 19.87% | 25.36%)
One: 2.61% (In/Out: 0.45% | 2.16%)
Rtl: 47.84% (In/Out: 20.32% | 27.52%)
Red: 2.00% (Bad: 0.34%)
SFB: 0.55%
SFS: 4.15% (Red/Alt: 0.61% | 3.54%)
LH/RH: 48.13% | 51.87%
Made by the creator of the beloved Gallium
(3rd most loved layout).
Bunya
is based on Gallium
and is currently the best thumb S
layout that GalileoBlues
has as of April 2024.
Stats wise, it's got SFS and SFB that rival Dusk with a higher focus on alternation. It has lower redirection and likely more annoying scissors such as LV
(involve
) and BR
(break
). From a quick glance, it should have a similar 2u SFS as Dusk.
Some obvious cons are that RL
SFB is unfortuately a true SFB that can't be alt-fingered and that double thumb ss
is quite common (less
, miss
, across
, pass
, guess
).
Overall, Bunya
is a very solid thumb layout and likely one of the best thumb S
layouts to date.
Pine-y
pine-y (infiniteplayer)
q l c m k ' f o u ;
n r s t w p h a e i ,
j x z g v b d . - /
y
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 32.43%
Rol: 43.56% (In/Out: 19.38% | 24.19%)
One: 2.90% (In/Out: 0.63% | 2.27%)
Rtl: 46.46% (In/Out: 20.01% | 26.45%)
Red: 3.57% (Bad: 0.28%)
SFB: 0.78%
SFS: 5.36% (Red/Alt: 1.30% | 4.06%)
LH/RH: 42.51% | 57.49%
This layout is based on Pine-v4
from ClemenPine. It boasts the highest speed rating and 3rd most comfort rating on the layout battle website.
RST
homerow is familiar to many as it is the same homerow found on Colemak as well, and I personally believe that having T
on index feels quite good as there are many words that end with T
, promoting inroll that ends on the strongest finger.
Aside from BO
scissor (about
), there really aren't many scissors in this layout, achieved by having 3 dead letters on left hand pinky, ring, and middle fingers. 2u SFS may be a bit higher than Dusk due to k__g
(looking
, thinking
) and m_g
(might
) if that's something you care about.
All the while having competitive SFS and SFB stats. Overall, this is the layout that I like the most out of the 3 that we've discussed thus far.
If you want to use Pine-y
, I would recommend that you do
q l c m k ' f o u .
n r s t w p h a e i
j x z g v b d ; / ,
y
Sturdy-thumbn
sturdy_thumbn (Oxey)
v b l f q / g o u ,
s t r h k y c a e i
z j x d m p w ' ; .
n
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 34.45%
Rol: 43.03% (In/Out: 22.23% | 20.80%)
One: 2.92% (In/Out: 0.40% | 2.52%)
Rtl: 45.95% (In/Out: 22.63% | 23.32%)
Red: 2.91% (Bad: 0.30%)
SFB: 0.54%
SFS: 4.57% (Red/Alt: 0.91% | 3.65%)
LH/RH: 48.25% | 51.75%
Made by the creator of Sturdy
, the 4th most loved layout on AKL discord, and Oxey
recommends sturdy_thumbn
for those who seek a thumb layout variant based on Sturdy
.
By having N
on thumb, it addresses the K
scissor-related issues that people have with Sturdy
. Additionally, it now has one dead key Q
on the left index, which drastically lowers the finger with the highest finger speed on Sturdy
.
Sturdy-thumbn
is an overall improvement on Sturdy
and with SFS and SFB stats comparable to Dusk as well. I, however, do not like the fact that ML
(almost
) and PO
(people
, open
, stop
, hope
, top
) as I found these stretches are not really comfortable on colstag (Piantor Pro
).
SturdE
sturdE (Oxey)
v m l c p ; x o , /
s t r d y f n a i u
q k j w g b h ' . z
e
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 28.12%
Rol: 49.23% (In/Out: 23.53% | 25.70%)
One: 2.49% (In/Out: 1.51% | 0.98%)
Rtl: 51.72% (In/Out: 25.04% | 26.68%)
Red: 2.83% (Bad: 0.33%)
SFB: 0.57%
SFS: 5.15% (Red/Alt: 2.16% | 2.99%)
LH/RH: 43.36% | 56.64%
Oxey
doesn't recommend this over sturdy-thumbn
and I can see why: it doesn't really address most issues that people have with Sturdy
. I agree with Oxey
here.
SNTH
SNTH
x p d m q = y o u ,
s n t h v g c a e i
f b k l j z w ' / .
r
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 34.23%
Rol: 43.69% (In/Out: 26.41% | 17.28%)
One: 3.01% (In/Out: 0.53% | 2.49%)
Rtl: 46.70% (In/Out: 26.94% | 19.77%)
Red: 2.48% (Bad: 0.39%)
SFB: 0.40%
SFS: 4.65% (Red/Alt: 0.70% | 3.95%)
LH/RH: 49.77% | 50.23%
Made by Hands Down
creator, a common presence on AKL subreddit.
It is similar to Dusk, and so it makes more sense to compare them.
Pros:
- Much lower LSB than Dusk.
- No corner key like
W
in Dusk.
Subjective:
- More alternation and less roll than Dusk
Cons:
- Similar SFB, but higher SFS.
MB
full scissor (number
).- Some may be bothered by the
PL
(simple
) andLD
(should
) motions. - More 2u SFS (
fix
,public
,small
). - More half scissors (
nk
,m_k
as inmake
).
I wouldn't recommend SNTH
largely for the same reason that I wouldn't recommend Dusk_optimized
.
Snth-wuv
snth-wuv (ddn)
b r d l q ' p o , w
s n t h / y c a i u
z x k m j g f ; . v
e
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 31.30%
Rol: 44.92% (In/Out: 26.12% | 18.80%)
One: 3.75% (In/Out: 1.10% | 2.64%)
Rtl: 48.66% (In/Out: 27.22% | 21.44%)
Red: 4.35% (Bad: 2.04%)
SFB: 0.48%
SFS: 3.69% (Red/Alt: 0.87% | 2.82%)
LH/RH: 45.18% | 54.82%
Made by ddn
, a really helpful person in AKL discord.
Snth-wuv
is impressive in a way that it has similar SFB but with noticeably lower SFS than Dusk.
Some cons may be:
RK
full scissors andGO
stretch as they are quite common (work
andgo
)- Heavy ring
RNX
stack.
Strand
strand (CN)
v m l f q / y o u .
s t r h b g c a e i
z j x d k p w ' ; ,
n
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 34.84%
Rol: 43.08% (In/Out: 21.62% | 21.46%)
One: 2.93% (In/Out: 0.40% | 2.53%)
Rtl: 46.01% (In/Out: 22.02% | 23.99%)
Red: 2.90% (Bad: 0.30%)
SFB: 0.52%
SFS: 4.17% (Red/Alt: 0.91% | 3.26%)
LH/RH: 48.25% | 51.75%
Made by val0rance
, a frequenter on AKL discord.
Having 3 dead keys just like Pine-y and sturdy-thumbn ensures that there isn't going to be awkward scissors, but it still has LK
(talk
) and PO
(top
and people
) full index-middle stretch on the index.
Overall, it is a decent layout and in many ways reminds me of sturdy-thumbn by Oxey.
Zanycat
zanycat (ClemenPine)
v y l g q ' f o u p
t s r c m b h a i n
j z x w / k d . , ;
e
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 26.43%
Rol: 45.37% (In/Out: 15.88% | 29.50%)
One: 4.49% (In/Out: 1.22% | 3.27%)
Rtl: 49.86% (In/Out: 17.09% | 32.77%)
Red: 7.74% (Bad: 2.51%)
SFB: 0.65%
SFS: 3.63% (Red/Alt: 1.63% | 2.00%)
LH/RH: 37.45% | 62.55%
Made by ClemenPine with a goal to minimize SFS and SFB. It has slightly higher SFB than Dusk, but does achieve lower SFS.
ClemenPine themselves does not seem to recommend this layout. I agree with them here because of the common PI
scissor (piece
and stupid
) and SY
on ring is probably suboptimal (system
).
Racket
racket (GalileoBlues)
f l d w x / b o u ,
s h t c y q n a e i
j m k g v z p ' ; .
r
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 30.46%
Rol: 47.72% (In/Out: 23.12% | 24.60%)
One: 2.02% (In/Out: 1.00% | 1.02%)
Rtl: 49.74% (In/Out: 24.12% | 25.61%)
Red: 3.63% (Bad: 0.42%)
SFB: 0.40%
SFS: 4.34% (Red/Alt: 1.24% | 3.10%)
LH/RH: 49.06% | 50.94%
Made by the creator of Gallium
(2nd most loved layout on AKL discord).
This layout is solid all around, but LHM
ring certainly isn't for everyone due to its high movement and 2u SFS, in addition to the LK
scissor (talk
).
Outrroll
outrroll (yappi_)
x l d f q ' y o u ,
s h t n b g c a e i
v m k p z j w ; / .
r
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 34.91%
Rol: 43.71% (In/Out: 17.25% | 26.46%)
One: 2.96% (In/Out: 0.33% | 2.63%)
Rtl: 46.67% (In/Out: 17.58% | 29.09%)
Red: 2.52% (Bad: 0.41%)
SFB: 0.45%
SFS: 3.96% (Red/Alt: 0.64% | 3.33%)
LH/RH: 49.67% | 50.33%
Made by yappi
, a frequenter on AKL discord.
This layout has similar SFS and SFB as Dusk, and it doesn't have the W
index corner key nor the LSB that Dusk has.
What's the catch? The catch to achieve all that is the heavy and high movement LHM
ring, in addition to the LK
and SM
scissors (talk
and small
).
Is the trade worth it? for me it is not worth it, but maybe it is for you!
Snert
snert (CN)
v p l g q j f o u ,
s n h t k y c a e i
x b m d z / w ' ; .
r
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 32.64%
Rol: 45.30% (In/Out: 22.18% | 23.12%)
One: 2.71% (In/Out: 0.37% | 2.34%)
Rtl: 48.01% (In/Out: 22.55% | 25.46%)
Red: 2.59% (Bad: 0.11%)
SFB: 0.39%
SFS: 4.95% (Red/Alt: 1.16% | 3.79%)
LH/RH: 49.73% | 50.27%
Made by val0rance
, a frequenter on AKL discord.
Some people like having T
on index, and Snert
doesn't have the high index movement that some other index T
layouts have.
I think we should swap BP
to address bl
(able
) and mp
(important
) though, but then SP
scissor gets created (space
).
RSTHD
RSTHD
j c y f k z l , u q =
r s t h d m n a i o '
/ v g p b x w . ; -
e
MONKEYRACER:
Alt: 24.64%
Rol: 49.17% (In/Out: 31.72% | 17.45%)
One: 3.37% (In/Out: 2.66% | 0.71%)
Rtl: 52.54% (In/Out: 34.38% | 18.16%)
Red: 4.36% (Bad: 0.27%)
SFB: 0.96%
SFS: 5.91% (Red/Alt: 3.48% | 2.43%)
LH/RH: 43.00% | 57.00%
RSTHD, created by Simon in 2016, is the oldest thumb layout on the list before any of the modern analyzers and metrics come into existence.
Its SFS is on the higher end due to GT
(-ght
) and MN
(-ment
) stacks. v_r
(very
) skipgram pinky-ring half scissor and by
full index-middle stretch can be too much for some. All in all, I think it is a decent layout especially given that it was made in 2016.